spider-xan:

Also, I admit that something that always bothered me about the DA in Harry Potter was that it had SIX leaders over the course of the book — and every single one of them was a white character.

I mean, I loved there were POC like Angelina, Dean, Lee, Parvati, Padma, and Cho there, and they all either explicitly survived or at least weren’t confirmed as having been killed at the battle, but it still kind of feels like getting diversity crumbs when not one of them really played a huge role in the end while a lot of characters did? Not to mention that JKR’s explicit Big Seven characters were all white.

You could argue that, ‘Well, the characters who were most developed just happened to be white’, but why that is isn’t a thing that shouldn’t go unquestioned either, you know? Because it’s NOT a coincidence that white characters, especially if they’re also men, will get more screentime, character development, plot, etc. in the first place.

spider-xan:

There’s a lot of Cho Chang discussion on my dash right now and I’ve always had really mixed feelings about her?

On the one hand, I liked that there was an actually Asian character in Harry Potter who wasn’t The Token Asian and whose Asian-ness was their defining trait, and that she wasn’t exotified as the Hot Asian Chick with long silky~ Asian hair, and nor did Harry or Cedric seem to fall for her because of some Asian fetishism. I LOVED that when we’re first introduced to her, the main thing we learn about her is that she’s a Quidditch player, because how often does an Asian character, let alone a female one, get written as an athlete rather than a nerd? She was in the DA and actively rebelled against her parents who told her NOT to go against Umbridge, and she fought at the Battle of Hogwarts and survived. That’s pretty fucking awesome when Asian characters barely exist in the media, let alone having all that good stuff happen.

On the other hand, JKR definitely fucked up some things as well. And the pseudo-Asian name that doesn’t make much sense if you look at actual East Asian cultures is the least of them. The biggest to me though, is how JKR even outright said that she wrote Cho to be a character set up to make Ginny look better as Harry’s love interest, though I don’t have the quote on-hand right now. I mean, that’s fucked-up on a gender level in terms of pitting women against each other over a man and using women as plot devices, and also fucked up on an extra racial level to use a WOC as the inferior foil to a white woman and to make her look better.

But those are issues I have with JKR herself as the actual writer rather than Cho herself? IDK Cho gets so much shit from random for sexist and racist reasons that while I’m all for calling out JKR on her problematic things, I’m also not going to totally dismiss Cho herself when she already gets that a lot and there aren’t many Asians in popular Western media, let alone having any positive traits, period.

About Fred II and Roxanne’s Face Claims

fembottes:

dahlpengee:

There’s a reason that people are angry over the Face Claims that people are using for Fred II Weasley and Roxanne Weasley.

Their mother is a Black woman. And she’s not a light skinned Black woman.

This means that Fred II and Roxanne will NOT have red hair. And you will be able to tell that they are children of People of Color.

http://s1.zetaboards.com/Express_Yourself/topic/2956874/1/

This website shows a list of celebrities. The first couple of celebrities have a Black parent and a White parent. Examples are Halle Berry, Alicia Keys, Shemar Moore, Sade, Derek Jeter, Drake (Rapper), Jasmine Guy, and President Barack Obama. And though she’s not listed there, Paula Patton is another example. You can see that they have a Black parent. You can also see that some of them have a White parent.

To make George and Angelina’s kids fully Caucasian is disrespectful. It devalues Angelina as their mother. There are tons of characters in the Harry Potter series that have two White parents. These characters DON’T and as such should not look like they do.

I hope that people will understand this situation more now, as it’s not something that should be passed over.

Okay, I know I said no political stuff until after the holidays, but this has been all over my dash and I just can’t not say anything anymore.

For those of y’all who don’t know, there are certain people within the Harry Potter fandom that refuse to acknowledge the fact that 1. Angelina Johnson is black, 2. George Weasley married a black woman, 3. they had offspring, 4. those offspring are not white. The result is RP groups giving face claims of white actors/actresses/whatevers to Fred II and Roxanne.

I don’t even need to comment on the whitewashing of Fred and Roxanne Weasley. Everyone else has already said everything that I could possibly say. It’s stupid, it’s racist, and the people doing it have obviously missed the Harry Potter message of tolerance.

BUT I have also seen a lot of comments about how impossible it is for them to be redheaded, and, to be frank, that offends me. It offends me because I have what I’ll call a Weasley aunt. I’ll explain.

My grandparents are 99% black (1% eh for the usual allowances), and my mom’s older sister is redheaded, green eyed, fair skinned (by no means paper white, but definitely a lot fairer than her brothers and sisters), and freckle faced. She looks like a fucking Weasley. Is she impossible? Is she not actually my aunt? Did my grandparents pluck her out of a garbage bag on their way home one day? No. No they did not. My gran’s half-brothers and sisters, all of whom also have black parents, are also redheaded and freckle faced. Are they impossible too? I think not.

By saying it’s impossible for George and Angelina to have redheaded and/or light-eyed children, you are denying the genetics of families like mine.

So no. Fred II and Roxanne Weasley are not white. They do not have porcelain complexions, and chances are (1 in 3 million scientific chances are) their eyes aren’t blue either. But they can be redheaded. They can have freckles. And they can still be brown while doing it.

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bana05:

karnythia:

bana05:

gold—rush:

[Photoset and fic snipped to focus on the commmentary. Click on the username above to see the images and read the story for context.]

*hugs this fic*

I want to love this fic, but I don’t. Not because of the writing, but because of the implication that there’s only value to be found in being a Weasley & not in being a Johnson. One of the things that bugs me about the Golden Trio narrative in the books is the implication that it is only the sacrifices made by Harry, Hermione, & Ron (and by extension Ron’s family) that matter. Everyone that fought was a hero, whether they wound up with a famous last name or not.

Conversely, that’s exactly why I *hugged* it, because I think that’s the kind of reactions and responses these two would get, leaving Angelina out in the cold because she’s not a “Weasley” and she is a “nobody” and she doesn’t know how to protect her kids from that while they’re at school especially, and the other “traditional” Weasleys are oblivious to it all. But I do understand your critique of it, definitely.

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gold—rush:

dumbthingswhitepplsay:

notforyoutobreak:

karnythia:

I want to love this fic, but I don’t. Not because of the writing, but because of the implication that there’s only value to be found in being a Weasley & not in being a Johnson. One of the things that bugs me about the Golden Trio narrative in the books is the implication that it is only the sacrifices made by Harry, Hermione, & Ron (and by extension Ron’s family) that matter. Everyone that fought was a hero, whether they wound up with a famous last name or not.

Something really bothered me when I was reading this, but I wasn’t sure what.  You really helped put it into words here.

My issue? The “natural tan” thing. And in general, the entire “I wish I was brown like you~~~~~” sentiment going on. When you’re a hurting child, the very last thing that cheers you up is seeing people who look just like you wish you could, people who aren’t getting bugged, saying “we wish we were like you”.

No. You really fucking don’t.

To Karynthia:

I never even thought about that. Honestly it was supposed to all focus on the “Criteria to be a Weasley” deal. I suppose adding in something like, “But remember you’re a Johnson too…etc.” Would’ve been nice?

It completely slipped my mind while writing it.

To DTWPS:

Yeah, I included that because I’ve had someone say that to me before. They think they’re complimenting you, but sadly they are mistaken.

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dumbthingswhitepplsay:

notforyoutobreak:

karnythia:

bana05:

gold—rush:

[Photoset and fic snipped to focus on the commmentary. Click on the username above to see the images and read the story for context.]

*hugs this fic*

I want to love this fic, but I don’t. Not because of the writing, but because of the implication that there’s only value to be found in being a Weasley & not in being a Johnson. One of the things that bugs me about the Golden Trio narrative in the books is the implication that it is only the sacrifices made by Harry, Hermione, & Ron (and by extension Ron’s family) that matter. Everyone that fought was a hero, whether they wound up with a famous last name or not.

Something really bothered me when I was reading this, but I wasn’t sure what.  You really helped put it into words here.

My issue? The “natural tan” thing. And in general, the entire “I wish I was brown like you~~~~~” sentiment going on. When you’re a hurting child, the very last thing that cheers you up is seeing people who look just like you wish you could, people who aren’t getting bugged, saying “we wish we were like you”.

No. You really fucking don’t.

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“I still don’t think race is as big of a factor in the wizarding world as blood status.”

brokenhouse:

offbeatorbit:

zorawitch:

squeetothegee:

zorawitch:

Chile, if race wasn’t a factor then most witches & wizards would be mixed-race. But they’re not. Why? Because. Race is ALWAYS a factor. Get it through your heads, people.

I’m inclined to agree that blood status probably…

I can’t completely agree. I think that they are issues together-intersectionality-just like race and gender, race and sexuality, race and class, race and ability are issues together. I don’t think you can completely separate them. Just looking at the 5 (yes, 5) black characters mentioned, besides the 3 African wizards who are mentioned as an after thought in I think GOF. How can it not be such a factor a person can count the number of black characters on 1 hand? How is it not a factor that there are only like 3 non-black and non-white characters (Cho Chang, Padma and Pavarti Patil)?

Also, if you look at how the Brittish WW works, it is (for most of the time in the Potterverse) maintained by the power of what? Old Pureblood families. And what, do those old blood families look like? They are all (presumably) white. It is still a culture of white old money and blood. I almost feel like if there was an arranged marriage set up by a pureblood family, they would pick a white half-blood family than an pureblood family of color, but that’s just something I think. I can definitely feel some racist undertones in the Potterverse, or maybe that’s just me. 

However, the movies try (keyword: try) to do a bit better. Like that black Gryffindor who no one knows (I can’t remember his canon name) but always shows up in the movies (he has a line in a later movie). Or how there are a few black death eaters (at least I thought I saw a few). Or how at the end of HP Part II when they are at Kings Cross years later I saw a family or two of color. Yet, when I saw them, I was mad excited because I was like “SEE? THERE ARE WITCHES AND WIZARDS OF COLOR!”

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“I still don’t think race is as big of a factor in the wizarding world as blood status.”

offbeatorbit:

zorawitch:

squeetothegee:

zorawitch:

Chile, if race wasn’t a factor then most witches & wizards would be mixed-race. But they’re not. Why? Because. Race is ALWAYS a factor. Get it through your heads, people.

I’m inclined to agree that blood status probably takes more precedence than race in the Potterverse.  But that is not the say that race doesn’t matter at all in this Universe, because we all know it does to many.  But looking at examples from the text, it seems blood is more important.  

Example: It’s unclear if Dean is mixed race or not. We don’t know if one or both of his parents is of African decent. All we know is that his father is a Wizards and his mother a Muggle.  Where they both Black Britons? Or was one not? Which one? Secondly, Dean dates Ginny, and none of the characters have an issue with his race. Third, Angelina and Fred are an item, then she marries George. Again, no one in the Potterverse makes this an issue.

However, I do note that all the Death Eaters are White. Is that because they believe in pure blood, and therefore a Black wizard cannot be of pure-blood to them? or is it because there aren’t any pure-blood wizards of color in England? Or maybe the Wizards of Color just have more sense?  

Just some thoughts and ramblings…

zorawitch: British witches & wizards act just like British Muggles do when it comes to “exotic” or “foreign” or “enemy” nationalities and ethnic languages and peoples. Great-Auntie Muriel berates Fleur for being French. The Prime Minister of Bulgaria is snidely belittled for having bad English. Can you imagine how Roma witches and wizards are treated by other Europeans, then? Probably the same way as their Mugglecounterparts, or something divinely similar in scope and effect. Blood status seems to be a saving grace for many witches and wizards, no matter their colour, because Dean’s dad was killed for refusing to join the Death Eaters, however this does not absolve the huge likelihood that this love of blood-status purity may extend into color-lines as well, especially since the society Jo created is extremely Eurocentric.

Witches and Wizards of Colour most likely, yes, have more sense. In fact, all the WWOC seem to be pro-Muggle or in the very least not as prejudiced as their white counterparts; there is only one explicit pure-blood supremacist of colour in the books, Blaise Zabini (who is probably a Black boy of mixed-race given his Italiante surname), who calls Ginny a filthy blood-traitor. But then guess what? Blaise considers Death Eaters scum as well, so his pure-blood privilege and prestige operates in a separate vacuum than that of someone like Draco Malfoy.

Basically.  I mean, me saying that I still don’t think that race is as big of a factor in the wizarding world is due to the fact that we’re given a world where blood status is placed above everything else in the hierarchy.  That’s not denying that race could be an issue, it’s just not as big of a defining factor that blood is.  

Let’s say this is the UK and we’ve got a pureblood black wizard and a half-blood white wizard, who is going to seen as having more privilege based on the hierarchy that we’re presented with?  I’d say that the pureblood black wizard will, for the most part, given MY understanding of how that world functions.  If we’re talking about different races of the same blood status then that is something else entirely, but I don’t exactly think that saying that blood status is more important than race in the wizarding world = denying that racial hierarchy is at all present in the wizarding world.

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“I still don’t think race is as big of a factor in the wizarding world as blood status.”

zorawitch:

squeetothegee:

zorawitch:

Chile, if race wasn’t a factor then most witches & wizards would be mixed-race. But they’re not. Why? Because. Race is ALWAYS a factor. Get it through your heads, people.

I’m inclined to agree that blood status probably takes more precedence than race in the Potterverse.  But that is not the say that race doesn’t matter at all in this Universe, because we all know it does to many.  But looking at examples from the text, it seems blood is more important.  

Example: It’s unclear if Dean is mixed race or not. We don’t know if one or both of his parents is of African decent. All we know is that his father is a Wizards and his mother a Muggle.  Where they both Black Britons? Or was one not? Which one? Secondly, Dean dates Ginny, and none of the characters have an issue with his race. Third, Angelina and Fred are an item, then she marries George. Again, no one in the Potterverse makes this an issue.

However, I do note that all the Death Eaters are White. Is that because they believe in pure blood, and therefore a Black wizard cannot be of pure-blood to them? or is it because there aren’t any pure-blood wizards of color in England? Or maybe the Wizards of Color just have more sense?  

Just some thoughts and ramblings…

zorawitch: British witches & wizards act just like British Muggles do when it comes to “exotic” or “foreign” or “enemy” nationalities and ethnic languages and peoples. Great-Auntie Muriel berates Fleur for being French. The Prime Minister of Bulgaria is snidely belittled for having bad English. Can you imagine how Roma witches and wizards are treated by other Europeans, then? Probably the same way as their Mugglecounterparts, or something divinely similar in scope and effect. Blood status seems to be a saving grace for many witches and wizards, no matter their colour, because Dean’s dad was killed for refusing to join the Death Eaters, however this does not absolve the huge likelihood that this love of blood-status purity may extend into color-lines as well, especially since the society Jo created is extremely Eurocentric.

Witches and Wizards of Colour most likely, yes, have more sense. In fact, all the WWOC seem to be pro-Muggle or in the very least not as prejudiced as their white counterparts; there is only one explicit pure-blood supremacist of colour in the books, Blaise Zabini (who is probably a Black boy of mixed-race given his Italiante surname), who calls Ginny a filthy blood-traitor. But then guess what? Blaise considers Death Eaters scum as well, so his pure-blood privilege and prestige operates in a separate vacuum than that of someone like Draco Malfoy.

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“How can there be African-American witches & wizards?”

squeetothegee:

glossylalia:

squeetothegee:

glossylalia:

karnythia:

glossylalia:

karnythia:

notime4yourshit:

karnythia:

allonsy10:

zorawitch:

The last thing Black people need is more White people telling them they are “limited” by their ancestry. It’s fucking infuriating. Their logic is flawed, because it totally ignores the history of Haiti, a place where people of African descent were able to thrive after throwing off French oppression. In the Potterverse, I suspect there is a fantastic school of magic in Haiti with a background in Haitian Voodoo. What about the gens de couleur libres in Louisiana? There’d be witches and wizards among them as well. What about the African-Americans of the Gullah-Geechee Nation? There’d be witches and wizards ALL OVER THE PLACE.  

There would DEFINATLY be an american wizarding school in Louisiana. That seems the most logical place if we’re talking about what has the most magic in it’s  history. 

I don’t think there would just be one school, or even just one style of magic being taught. I think there would be small secret schools all over at first & there would be some form of an Underground Railroad too. Definitely one in Chicago, one out West, one on the East Coast, & probably one in New York.

There definitely would be a Jack & Jill Magic School. For those POC with ‘discriminating’ taste in magic. lol

I was thinking there would be the higher end magic schools vs. poorer ones. And probably some kind of colorism too. Hrm, this is getting complicated.

IDK, would it be different schools? I think it would be easier/maybe make more sense, if it was a house division, like at Hogwarts. Then you could deal with the issues under one umbrella instead of having to set up several schools with several similar histories based on colorism/status.

Hmm, good point. Maybe the houses divided by types of magic wielded by the kids? Some would need wands or whatever, but others might use ambient magic & still others might need rituals?

Maybe, but then what would they learn in school? Would it or wouldn’t it be required for them to learn a large spectrum of magic during the X amount of years they’re in school for? Maybe that is something to be decided in a similar way to how Hogwarts Houses were decided (not at all suggesting that it be just like Hogwarts), in that it is derived from the history of the school? Maybe it’s combination of general personality and type of magic strongest upon entering the school? Maybe a ritual is done for each entering class and certain spirits are queried to decide the house for each student based on a combination of factors. But I definitely think there should be a “house” that prides itself on being lighter skinned, with a “good” grade of hair, and higher social/magical status. 

I’m thinking maybe 3 main schools, like in the Potterverse: one in New England, one in NOLA, and one in Cali.  Four houses, but the same four houses at each school. That way there’s some unity across schools.  Like Sororities/Frats, ya know? 

^^^^^^^

I really really like that idea, Squee! 

Would these schools be like HBCUs or would they be multi-racial? 

(Note: I know HBCUs are totally diverse now, but y’all know what I’m getting at, because I think there was one or who US witch/wizard schools mentioned in the Potterverse)

They’d be like HBCUs. They were established in the 1800s because the Salem Witches Institute wouldn’t let in non-White students until recently.

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omolara-oolong:

karnythia:

zorawitch:

karnythia:

zorawitch:

soydulcedeleche:

zorawitch:

The last thing Black people need is more White people telling them they are “limited” by their ancestry. It’s fucking infuriating. Their logic is flawed, because it totally ignores the history of Haiti, a place where people of African descent were able to…

 zorawitch: Zomg, I was imagining some historically black witchwizarding schools. Amaazing.

In my head there would have been wizards involved in the slave trade who used binding spells to prevent any of the enslaved with magic from fighting back, but overtime many of them would have escaped and/or used their powers against owners without magic. Hmm…

 zorawitch: Zomg that’s a great and plausible idea. If you read Quidditch Through the Ages, it’s evident that British wizardry practiced the same imperialism that British muggledom practiced, but only through a magical lens, of course. Slavery would’ve been in there somehow. Also notice how Kingsley’s surname is Shacklebolt. Shackles and bolts. Slavery.

Slavery, an early revolt by the American colonies, presumably magical shackles used on enslaved wizards. Possibly even different ways to wield magic that didn’t involve wands. Ooh, and of course different approaches to things like werewolves, ghosts, shapeshifting, and vampires. I’m going to wind up writing something about this now. It won’t look anything like Hogwarts once I’m done though.

Ooh, that would add another layer to the fear of slave owners that their slaves would revolt, and could be tied into the muggle stamping out of magic. Muggle slave owners knew about magic, and so they tried to control it by whatever means necessary, including killing off wizard and witch slaves to make sure that they never got too powerful. Christianity would be just another weapon at their disposal. So, alongside the former slave churches, you’d have freedmen’s wizarding schools.

So I am going through tags on tumblr to look for posts and graphics of the POC characters in ‘Harry Potter’ for Potter Colours.

glossylalia:

pottercolours:

xanthophiliac:

And I am not at all surprised to see rampant misogyny, racism, and discrimination based on the intersection of both -isms for Angelina Johnson and Cho Chang especially — off the top of my head, I’ve already seen shit like how George deserved better than Angelina because she was just using him and isn’t enough of a badass to be worthy; explicit hatred towards her for being a Black woman; Angelina’s biracial children looking, if not outright being completely white; Cho being accused of being a bad, contradictory character because she’s both Chinese and Scottish, which is apparently impossible (a Starburst commercial totally said so once and is an authority on racial/ethnic/national identity); Cho being a bitch because ‘I don’t know, she just seems like the type, and she cried a lot and used men’ and threats of violence against her; implications that white male characters dating or marrying WOC are settling for less than they deserve

Interestingly, I haven’t seen the same, if any, vitriol towards Lee Jordan, Dean Thomas, the Patil twins, and Kingsley Shacklebolt — I haven’t got around to looking for Blaise Zabini material, but I have no doubt that’s going to get ugly based on fandom precedent — so far, and I have gone through MANY posts in their tags. The only reasons I can think of right now for why that is are a combination of (a) intersectionality of race and gender/sex, and (b) Angelina and Cho being WOC who dared to get involved with white men beyond a Yule Ball date (and ‘used’ them in a way that has a nasty ‘WOC aggressively prey on helpless white men for selfish reasons’ vibe) — which would explain the lack of hatred for the men and the Patils, despite the latter also being WOC. Then again, I still came across the twins being represented by white actors here and there.

Re-blogging this from my personal blog — this was written during the very early days of POTTER COLOURS (hence the part about not having looked for Blaise material yet), and if anyone has additional commentary on this, feel free to share and I will re-blog what discussions I can.

This fandom has a terrible history regarding POC in the material (the only real exceptions maybe being Dean and Kingsley). 

Fandom in general seems to have a really big problem with WOC especially when you bring in the potential for relationships with major or well likes White characters, and it almost always harkens back to racial (née: racist) stereotyping which often involves the idea of purity (whiteness and chastity) vs. impurity (otherness and hypersexualization). 

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Unconvinced.

glossylalia:

regazzadilupoinverno replied to your post: REASONS! I want REASONS!

Shacklebolt is clever as all fuck and knows how to work the system. I’ve always gotten an intellectual + don’t fuck with me vibe off him. Ravenclaws are harsher than some people think. Buuuuut I’ll give you Puff as second pick.
Shackelbolt is exceptional at everything, sure. But he accomplished what he accomplished in the name of justice and loyalty, and he is obviously one of the most trustworthy wizards around. 
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